Neil Carter said he was asked, “What drives you to be so adamant in sharing your atheistic beliefs? What is the driving force behind you? To influence others to be nonbelievers??”
The first part of his response encapsulates my thoughts.
“First of all, to me this question implies that, while it’s laudable for the religious to wear their beliefs on their sleeves and talk about them in public spaces, when nonbelievers openly share about their own perspectives it’s just wrong and, gosh, why would you take it upon yourself to talk about this stuff in public? What’s wrong with you?
“My departure from the faith upset many people, but nothing bothered them more than my decision to start writing and speaking about it openly. That took people from sad to angry really quickly, and that’s because the only socially acceptable atheism is that which keeps its thoughts to itself (my emphasis). That disparity alone is reason enough for people like me to write and speak about why we left.” ~ Neil Carter, Godless in Dixie blog
Visiting Christians
We were expecting company. Friends who are devout/ardent Lutherans (when he is not angry at them and singing with the Baptists). I occasionally wore some jewelry that identified me as atheist, if anyone paid attention (which they don’t). My wife suggested I not wear the items when the two visitors were with us, so as not to upset them. I suggested that my opinion regarding any god was as valid as theirs. She agreed and withdrew her request, but I didn’t wear the items simply to avoid discussion and to prevent my atheism from causing a problem with her friends. Acceptance and tolerance are the best I could do, but that works. Do I handle such things wrong?
They were visiting over a weekend. We decided to drive past several local Lutheran churches so they could see if the right combination of letters appeared on any of the church marquee signs. If so, they would know it was safe for them to attend a Sunday service there. We offered transport, not attendance.
Since they could not identify any of the churches as suitable with the right flavor of Lutheranism, they did not go. Apparently, there are valid synod reasons for not keeping the third commandment (or fourth, depending on how you slice them). Online resources identify 40 different types of Lutheran.
Thou Shalt Not Say It
I was discussing atheism and a book by Sam Harris in an organized mens book club. A few members spent several long uninterrupted minutes explaining something about their religion. An older gentleman interrupted me to say that he was an atheist but never wrote or spoke about it. He just was and that was the end of it. His comment made me realize that many other atheists are likewise silent. They don’t believe in any god and that’s the end of it. Nobody needs to know. Nothing need be said. It might upset the theists. Is that cooperation or submissiveness?
Since then, I have had several people confess their atheism, or that of their loved ones, to me because they knew I had embraced disbelief. That makes me safe. Normally, such confessions are made in private. While I was never asked me to keep a secret, it was clear to me that they (or the loved one), while not exactly closeted, were not public or outspoken.
I Get It
While I understand the reluctance to speak up, all this is very telling. My wife and I were practicing Catholics. That was acceptable, even though several family members and some friends resented it or disapproved, especially in her case since she was a convert from Protestantism. But atheism? That’s a whole other deal. Atheists are considered the worst. For the record, my wife does not claim to disbelieve.
When people choose to keep their opinions private I don’t want a vote or a voice in what they should do, but I have an opinion. If people (atheists, agnostics, free thinkers, skeptics) go through the motions of going to church to avoid a personal conflict or crisis, I understand their actions. But I also know that living a lie for the sake of peace is not heroic, it’s personal martyrdom at the hands of religion to please the religious. I can’t imagine the weight of pretending to be religious for the sake of others. It is a form of reverse religious persecution.
Anyway, other than one friend who simply asked, are you an atheist?, no one has questioned my incredulity. It’s no secret. At least one neighbor knows, my kids all know (I think; not sure of grands), and most, if not all, of my friends know. Yet, believers who don’t know about me will try to flash their religion, church, or prayerfulness at me. I assume their motive is to impress. Do you know what a horse laugh is?
It’s Not Okay
I will not allow anyone to think that I believe in any god or that I practice any religion. That would be unfair to them, to other non-believers, to my friends and family, and to me. When faced with the conversation, I am willing to have it. I will try not to use terms like woo-woo, bullshit, do you really fucking believe that crap?, or holy shit!
I will tell anyone why I am atheist, but first they must tell me what they believe and why they think I should. It is a valid conversation to have. My views are as worthy as anyone’s.
In 21st Century USA, or anywhere in the world, no one should be imprisoned or burdened by the religions or religious views of friends, neighbors, or family. Freedom of religion must include freedom from religion or there is no freedom at all. If you think otherwise, you do not understand freedom, religion, or history.
Bill

I find all of this valid. I think it’s crucial for people to use their voices to express themselves and shine lights on “other” of all sorts. If more people openly discussed their atheism, maybe more people would openly discuss their atheism. Maybe stigma would fade, maybe tolerance would increase, maybe acceptance would grow.
I make no bones in telling people I’m not a Christian. It’s assumed. I hate that. As you know, I’m not religious, but one of the things I do like about attending the UU church is that it’s the only church I sit in where I am not other, because most of us are other. I don’t feel like a fraud there, an impostor.
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I’m an atheist too. I was not raised in a religious atmosphere and none of my closer friends or my husband are religious. Even some I know, may consider themselves to believe in a god of some sort, but not the Bible thumping variety and none of this heaven and hell bs.
One thing that bugs me is, if I’m out with a group for lunch, there’s always one that wants to say a prayer before the meal. Well I sit there, don’t open my mouth or say amen. But it bugs me that they automatically assume I believe the same and that they impose their beliefs on me. Why can’t they do this in a private thought before they pick up their fork, if they feel the need?
And I find it seems less offensive to the religious, if you simply say you are not religious instead of I’m an atheist, though it means the same. Maybe a good reply would be “oh religion has never held any interest for me, I prefer science.”
In an ideal world, we should be able to state matter of factly, in a nice way, how we feel and they should too. But the difference is, they push and begin to use the threats of you’re going to hell, or they will pray for you etc. it is very arrogant and condescending.
It’s their arrogance that really bugs me. And today the Christianity of the 60-80s is no more. It has become political and full of racism, hate, fear and self righteousness. Don’t get me started.😜
I would imagine that if the split between atheists and believers were about 50/50, there would be no problem, as it is in much of Europe, but her in the US where is more 85/15, there is a problem. And 10% of that 15% feel intimidated to speak up.
I simply cannot understand how any well educated intelligent person can seriously believe in all this fantasy. It has puzzled me for years.
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In his poem, ‘On Why I Must Decline to receive the prayers you say you are constantly sending’ Tony Hoagland said this, “But if you really care, as you claim, please / will you kindly sit down and work your shit out? / Stop stealing reality from te world / and replacing it with make-believe!”
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Mary, especially agree with you last sentence. I also can’t see how any well-educated, thinking person can believe the myths of any of the religions.
George
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